Ep 29: Motivation to exercise: how do you get it?

Michael Dermansky:

Hi everyone and welcome to the show that helps you become more confident in your body so you can keep doing the things that you love.

My name is Michael Dermansky, I’m senior physiotherapist at MD Health and I’ve got a special guest today, his name is Trevor Young, he’s a marketing guru and specialist, well that’s my words anyway, he’s a customer of ours as well and I invited him along today to have a chat a bit more about motivation to exercise and I guess one of the hardest things we have with clients and… you know, before they come in through our door and even for a while, probably the hardest thing is to get motivated to continue to exercise and how they keep going.

Michael Dermansky:

So my plan today is to talk to Trevor about what gets him going and what keeps him exercising for his body to maintain that confident body we want to achieve. So Trevor, welcome to the show. Thanks for being here today.

Trevor Young:

Thank you, Michael.

Michael Dermansky:

Well, We’ll start a little bit where you started with your journey with us. So you started working with us in December 2020, well, last year. So it’s been about 10 months you’ve been working with us. What made you take the plunge and start exercising? What got you started?

Trevor Young:

Yeah, well, like a lot of people, certainly of my age, you know, you have niggles and with me, it’s sort of kind of used to be back, but now it’s more, I guess, glute and hip, going way back, basketball injuries and getting hit in basketball a lot, but I work out at the gym, I have all my adult life, so, and I’m not the most flexible person.

So I think between the gym, which there’s good parts of being in the gym and doing weight training, but sitting down, I’m a writer, I do consulting and coaching, and I’m gonna add a computer and I’m on Zoom all the time, and I’m writing.

So the whole sitting down thing is, it’s not great for our bodies, as you know, and I’m reasonably active, so I just want to get out there and have – you use the word confident – be confident in the body and I just don’t want to actually have to think about being stiff and sore.

Michael Dermansky:

Okay, well what was the trigger that said to you, you know what, it’s about time I do something about this. Because I mean, we hear this story a lot.

People have niggles, they want their body to be a different stage. But they don’t get started, they don’t take the plunge and go forward. What made you think, you know what, it’s time now?

Trevor Young:

I’m not so sure there was a sort of a catalyst maybe just to build up. I mean every now and then people who have got back glute issues, is there light at the end of the tunnel? I suppose when you’re sort of stiff in the hips and glutes and you know I like to walk, I walk a fair bit every day, well I walk every day and I was getting to a point where I was getting really tired, my muscles were just tightening up, that moves up you just, your muscles just keep tightening, you know, unless you do something about it. Um, it doesn’t just isolate, but it just continues on.

And so, um, it was really starting to become noticeable that the, if I didn’t do anything, then the muscle tightness would just keep going. When you’re wanting to walk and, you know, you’re walking with someone and you’re taking small steps and, you know, walking with my daughters and they’re taking very long steps. And

Michael Dermansky:

Yes.

Trevor Young:

I find it hard to keep up because I’m, um, you know, I was constricted in that way and, um, Look, I’ve always had myotherapy over the journey as a bit of a, I guess a band aid.

But I know that Pilates and doing what you guys do is about more, yes, fix it. I get it in good as good as shape, but it’s not just about fixing, but it’s about maintaining and improving every week.

Michael Dermansky:

So from what I can hear as well in terms of, the thing that really brought you over the line, so you don’t wanna do something about this, was that your lifestyle was really starting to be affected.

So you can put up with it, you can put up with it, you can put up with it to where, I just can’t have the lifestyle I want. And it’s starting to fall away from me. And enough is enough, like let’s do it. Let’s do something about this.

Trevor Young:

Yeah, I mean, and it’s just the little things. It wasn’t anything major.

Michael Dermansky:

Yeah.

Trevor Young:

I mean, at the end of the year, I’m, I’m going overseas and doing the, you know, the, the long haul flight, uh, getting back onto planes. And, uh, so certainly I’ve got that goal and I’ve had that in mind for most of this year,

Michael Dermansky:

Yes.

Trevor Young:

uh, when I originally started, it was really, yeah, let’s just get into better shape. Uh, I want to go to the gym.

I don’t, you know, I want to enjoy going to the gym and not fight that side of things and, uh, and I want to keep walking and, you know, if we go. into town or doing something into the, into, you know, and shopping, just the basic stuff that you’re not, not getting too tired and sore just from doing, uh, your boring day to day stuff.

Michael Dermansky:

All right. Well, I mean, interesting with that too as well, because our biggest, our biggest challenge with clients as well is that probably the first three weeks, because they have the intention of walking in and doing the work.

But then reality comes in and you’re trying to change your habit, change your behavior. And the first few weeks is the hardest because you’re not used to suddenly you’ve had this new stuff into your life. Hasn’t been there before.

How did, how did that first few weeks feel for you? I mean, I know you’ve been exercising regular basis, but this was something new. This was different. And

Trevor Young:

Look, I enjoyed the variety. I mean, no two, I go weekly. So no two sessions are the same. And, and, you know, there is the good thing is that I do work out with weights, but even at your sessions, you know, doing rack lifts and, and squats and incorporating some weights there.

So it’s good because I get it. basically another session of weights in. But it’s, I like the variety. I thought that was good. So I actually embraced it.

So, you know, I don’t shy away from, you know, lactic acid buildup from doing weights and stuff like that. In fact, I quite enjoy it. So I embraced it pretty quickly.

And once you get, again, get used to the machines and what you’re having to do, I think balance on some of them on the reformer machines is always the… the challenge, but once you strengthen and you start seeing results then it’s a no-brainer.

Michael Dermansky:

What about the first few weeks? Cause I mean, we know that it takes a little while for strength to build up and actually see some results. And you know, the first few weeks where you’re not necessarily, you might be feeling different, you might not be feeling different. It’s, you know, from a body point of view, it’s too early to really feel the change.

Trevor Young:

Yeah, just trying to remember back then. I mean, I was sore, of course, because you’re doing things that you haven’t probably done before. I mean, at the gym, I’m, you know, I’m working the core muscle parts, but I’m not doing the sorts of exercises that you do on the reformer by any means.

So, you know, you’re using different muscles that you haven’t used before. So there was definitely stiffness, but hey, I’m… used to stiffness and actually having a bit of stiffness in certain areas works out. What am I working on? It actually means I’m working out the right muscles.

Michael Dermansky:

Excellent.

Trevor Young:

You know, you go to the gym and you do a lot of chest presses and everything. You’ll feel it in the in the in the in the pecs.

Michael Dermansky:

Cheers. Yep.

Trevor Young:

And so, you know, you’ve done the work. So I guess I’m maybe a little bit different in terms of I embrace that. I wasn’t worried about getting stiffer because I know I was going, you know, I was going to get over that hump. And yeah, it probably was. three or so weeks if I recall.

Michael Dermansky:

Yep, yeah. So I mean, being aware of that and embracing it too, it makes it easier for you and easier for us because we know people who go through a certain journey.

So there’s a normal amount of soreness they’re gonna get, there’s a normal sort of, because we know what we’re looking for in terms of a normal muscle soreness, which is just the part of exercise or where there’s a pain sensation where we don’t like that, we wanna change it. And not everyone’s used to those things and it’s sometimes a reason to say, oh, wait.

There’s a new sensation here. Something’s not right. I better stop where sometimes it’s just normal and you will pass through that. It’s just a normal part of the process.

Trevor Young:

Yeah, look, I can understand people who probably don’t exercise a lot and going through it and then they’re feeling their muscles or they’re feeling different parts and different

Michael Dermansky:

Yes.

Trevor Young:

sensations as you see and as you said and oh, you know, is this good for me? But you know, it’s you ask anyone who exercises a lot that you’re always going to get paid, but there’s good pain that comes with it.

Now I’m talking about not pain to hurt you, but you know that you’re pushing yourself and that you know, there will be some is it a doms? Isn’t it? Delayed onset muscle throttles.

Michael Dermansky:

It is called delay, and it’s –

Trevor Young:

Yeah, ‘embrace the dobs’ – there’s a T-shirt in that, Michael.

Michael Dermansky:

Yes, well I mean not everyone knows Dom’s Desert. So when you exercise what you do is you cause really small tears and muscles. Now these are very small, they happen after over 24, well they happen, you disrupt the ends of the muscles as well and they make changes as chemicals or leaks and that causes that inflammatory response over the next 24 hours.

Now that is absolutely normal, we expect a degree of that too and your body will then aim to repair that and go a little bit above where it was before. process the normal part of strengthening.

Michael Dermansky:

And so it’s a real tight balancing act between that tearing that’s normal, that your body can repair, and too much that it can’t repair. And that fine line is so important because one is growth and the other one is injury.

And it’s, I mean, that’s where, you know, having that professional knowledge with the support people around you allows you to be on that line to make change, but not too much that it goes the other way too. But all of that is normal. And that’s a process we want to encourage.

Michael Dermansky:

Um, and we know that if it’s a sauna sensation, that it feels sore in the muscles that goes away in a couple of days, that’s a normal part of exercising.

If it’s a pain sensation, a stabbing sensation in the joint, we don’t want that then with something’s not loading you up correctly that needs to be changed as well. So they’re all cues that we listen to know whether it’s the right thing or the wrong thing for you.

Trevor Young:

Yeah, and I think that people who have, I mean, over a period of time, you have niggles, you play sport, you do whatever, and you get to know your body and what it can and cannot do. And the whole idea is you want to push your body harder than, you know, than you. than you probably were before. And so that’s why I say kind of embrace that.

And, you know, it’s the same as weight training really. I mean, you get the benefit from the rest afterwards is when all the work gets done, not actually while you’re doing the weight training.

Michael Dermansky:

Yeah.

Trevor Young:

Weight training is just the means to an end. But, and I mean, I guess that’s the key is to, what I also liked was that I get someone pushing me.

I’m happy to be pushed and… and guiding and giving me something different because when you do go to the gym, you’re doing what am I going to work on today? What do I feel like working? And you know, you’re not might not necessarily be your own the best task master for yourself.

And that’s why people have personal trainers. That’s why, you know, it works well at MD health with the with having the crew there to guide you and to push.

Michael Dermansky:

Well, it’s our job to make sure you’re at that right pivot point. I mean, there’s two points. I was going to get onto what another point, but just, just one thing you touched as well is that rest is really important.

I’ve spoken about this really extensively previous podcast because it’s such a big deal that one of the dangers we see is people over exercising because it’s, it’s such a tight balancing out between load, which is getting you exercise and then unloading, allowing it to heal and grow, which is the rest part of it.

Michael Dermansky:

So rest needs to be a plan, part of your program. It’s not just, Oh, I’m not doing something. No, you are, you are resting to allow your body to grow so that you can actually load yourself more later.

Because if you don’t have that rest period, we can’t push you to what you should be the next time. And the time after that, and the time after that.

Um, and so, um, you know, some people don’t do enough and other people do too much. And both of those extremes don’t work well.

So let’s go back. I mean, you know, say six months down the track, You felt better, you felt stronger, you embraced the journey, you were able to do more things.

I know you came back to me and you were so proud of one of the things you were doing. I can’t remember was it was it was it using what was it chopping? No, it wasn’t chopping wood, was it?

Trevor Young:

No. Oh, I’ll tell you what I did. Yes. Something that was really good for me and a really good, you know, in the field, evidence that everything works was we got a, I don’t know, half a ton of wood dumped into the driveway and I had to move it down to the side of the house.

Now, you know, it’s not necessary about lifting up heavy bits of wood, it’s just that constant bend down, pick up, move, bend down, pick up, move. And you’re at a, you’re often at an angle while you’re doing that as well, while you’re carrying it and stuff.

And, and anyone who’s had, you know, back hip issue, glute issues, whatever. You would know that that, you know, might be okay for a few. And then all of a sudden you’ll get tired and sore and sore. And then the next day you’ll really pay for it.

Michael Dermansky:

Yes.

Trevor Young:

But I got, I moved half a ton of wood and with basically no rest and probably a bit stupid to try and do all of that. Maybe I should have done it in three, three chunks, but I felt pretty good and I bounced back. I was a bit sore the next day, but it was the bouncing back that was the important part.

Michael Dermansky:

Yeah. So that point there where you were able to do that. Cause this is also a challenging point for us as well. People say, Oh, well I’ve achieved my goal. Now I’m stronger. I can stop. Um, what kept you going? Cause this is also a pivot point for us.

It’s getting people started and then we’ll have achieved my goal. Now I can stop doing things now to what kept you going.

So, you know what? I can do all these things in my life. Now I can move it a half a ton of wood. Um, no comment about whether it’s good or bad for you, but the fact that you could do it, what kept you going and saying like, I want to keep going because we sometimes lose people.

Trevor Young:

Well, why have I been in the gym for my adult life? Why do I keep going back? You know, I’ve gone three times this week. Why have I keep going back? I mean, it’s a journey.

It’s not, you don’t, you never finish. You know, I want to continue working at a gym. I’ve got a nice system going now.

I work out three times in a gym and I do take a day’s break before I do the… Pilates and that sort of things with you guys and then you know, I walk around 8,000 steps every day I try to so that’s a nice mix but I just know that you’ve got to keep going.

Trevor Young:

Seeing the results we did the 13-week, you know did the test when I started the full body assessment I got improvement in every part of that and I’ll tell you what I mean, I’ve been crook the last, you know, just knocked down with this cold and flu that everyone’s getting. And I missed three sessions.

Like I was just not well enough to do it. And I’m just now coming back. So it did take me a couple of, you know, I didn’t just bounce straight back in, you know, missing three weeks and you notice it and you’ve got to keep coming back in. And when I say missing three weeks, I missed three weeks of exercise.

Michael Dermansky:

Yes.

Trevor Young:

So the great thing is when you do take a break, you can, and your body’s… is hardened to it and ready, you know, experienced at it, then you will bounce back quicker.

But you know that, um, there’s a, you know, a little bit of a challenge when you do come back, but then your body’s ready for it. Uh, but if you waited for six months, eight months, it didn’t do anything.

Then you, I don’t know, probably go, I don’t know what the length of time is, but you probably got back to kind of like scratch and doing it again. And, um, you know, you want to get in front.

Trevor Young:

And for my, my goal is, um, Yes, I’m at the end of the year, I’m going to be on a plane and that is my goal now. No, my goal wasn’t to shift wood. I didn’t know that was coming. And, uh, but my goal was just to be able to do the day to day stuff and not actually even have to worry about even think about all that hurt or whatever.

And given again, I’m at a desk all the time and I try and get up once or twice an hour, um, you know, I don’t, I want, I don’t want to even feel it. Don’t even know. And so, um, if it’s working. I just keep doing it.

You know, that’s, that’s the key. And I, and you will regress. Um, you know, there’s times when you do go a little bit backwards or you do push something a bit harder, or maybe I’ve done something at the gym, I shouldn’t have, whatever it is, but it’s about getting back on an even keel. And for me, it’s, it’s not noticing anything. That’s the key to me. Not noticing.

Michael Dermansky:

I mean, that’s interesting because it’s so that’s, that’s the interesting thing that you say as well. There’s two parts to number one, you’ve been done well for a little while as well. Like going, going back and saying, Oh, I’m going to go backwards.

I’m not going to be where I was. And that again, it’s, you know, for you, it’s a no brainer. Yeah, of course I do make exercises where we often see people say, you know what, I’ve been away for a while. You know what? I’m going away. Maybe I’ll make it a week to another week.

Maybe another week, another week where holidays illness as well is a really big challenge where it’s a break in people’s routines. And that’s when we see people drop off on their regular routines.

And for the first week or two, they may not feel that different. For the third week, just a little bit the same. The fourth week, it’s gonna be harder to do this.

The fifth week, you know what, maybe I’m okay not doing all these things as well. And then that becomes almost a forever thing where six months later you see you almost started from scratch. And… No one is and they’ve never started from scratch.

Michael Dermansky:

But getting back to that routine is just super important because as you said, I just don’t wanna feel it. I wanna be able to do whatever I want and I don’t wanna feel it. And that’s the way your life should be.

Your body shouldn’t be restricted in what you’re able to do. Or if you’re aiming for a goal, you should be able to work towards that too.

But it does make tech consistency and the biggest key to everything we do. is that word consistency. It trumps everything. It trumps the ability to, you know, our knowledge. It trumps, you know, whatever exercise version you think you want to do.

The lack of consistency is probably our biggest challenge as professionals to get an outcome for somebody. When we see someone, you know, go at the start and say, oh, I might do one session here and do one in a couple of weeks and maybe one in three weeks from there, you know, that we’re looking at it. a pretty obvious disaster down the track.

Like they’re not going to get an outcome. Nothing’s going to change because nothing changes. And so when they come back to us in a month, half or two months saying, I don’t feel any better, nothing’s changed. Well, because you haven’t done the work.

Trevor Young:

Well, it’s the same if you, if you go out, you know, you run and you haven’t run for a while and you get the okay to run and you, you know, it’s, you might run around the block a couple of times and do a little bit more the next week and a little bit, you know, if you’re running, you know, two, three times a week, whatever it is, if you’re at least once a week, you’re doing something, then you will incrementally improve. And it’s not about going and running a marathon straight away. That’s just silly.

So it is, I suppose it’s less is more, but over a period of time is the key. I also will take you back to yes, moving wood was good and within a week I also did a 24 hour trip in the car to Albury. So I’m in Melbourne, so Melbourne to Albury.

It’s a decent drive and came back and normally that would have put me backwards a little bit because it’s not great just sitting in a car for that long and I bounced back again from that.

So it’s actually the bouncing back from things – for me that’s important. Even if you’re a reasonably good nick, you still get out of a car after four hours and you feel a bit stiff and sore. So it’s the bouncing back that is the key for me.

Michael Dermansky:

That’s really good to hear, Trevor. I mean, one of the biggest great things talking about this as well is that you’ve been very consistent and you’ve said, you know, I wanted to get my body to a better shape to do more things I wanted to do. Had some really nice success in terms of, you were able to do it, you know, back and forth all within 24 hours and your body be okay.

You know, lift half a ton of, well, move half a ton of wood and be okay. And still say, you know what, I want my body to continue to be this way.

Michael Dermansky:

So I’m gonna continue to put the effort in to do this. I do have a goal to go overseas at the end of the year, and this is a great long-term goal, but in the meantime, I want to do the best I can. And having that in your mind, saying this is what I get up in the morning, I mean, I personally exercise at a stupid o’clock in the morning, and I usually exercise at about 5.15 in the morning.

But I know that if I personally don’t do that, I can’t have the lifestyle I want. I can’t work, I can’t spend time with my kids, I can’t just enjoy activities, I have to worry about whether my body can do it. And I don’t want to think about that too. You don’t want to think about it. You just want to be able to do it.

Michael Dermansky:

And that’s one of the big keys of consistency. You’re doing it consistently, exercising on a regular basis so that you can do things you want to do without having to think about it. If you can’t remember the first reason why you came in and you just go and do it and you don’t have to think about doing things you want to do, that’s us doing our job properly.

You know, we want you to forget the reason why you came in the door in the first place. That means we’ve done our job properly. Uh, and it’s delightful to hear that.

Um, but I just wanted to, I mean, the big message of this podcast today was right. Um, you know, your motivation to exercise, why do you do it? The reason why you want to have the life that you want to have and not think about it. Um, and the challenges are when, as you said, when you’re unwell, you lose three weeks because you’re unwell and it’s going to be a bit harder when you get back.

It is going to be harder when you get back. It’s going to take you a little time to get back to it. Some of the people we saw that during COVID, well, we didn’t see during COVID, and then came back, have taken this long to get back to where they were pre-COVID. And that’s two years.

Trevor Young:

Yeah, it was. I mean, and that kind of affected everyone, didn’t it? And that may have been a factor in my I’m not too sure. But, you know, the you know, things don’t improve by themselves. You know, we know that. And and I mean, I guess again, having a kind of if not, it’s not a get up at quarter past five in the morning routine. But, you know, gyming two to three times a week, adding this one on top of it.

Michael Dermansky:

Yes.

Trevor Young:

And it was a missing link, I think. And, you know, I like working weights, but I don’t like doing a lot of the stretching and a lot of that sort of stuff. And walking is just a day-to-day thing that I do a couple of times a day. And that is a really nice mix of stuff, because as you know, you’ve got to be doing different stuff and weights are really important, but the stuff on the reform is really important. And, you know, again, I’m doing, I did… I had a session today and I was back into the squats and stuff like that. So I’m still, I’m supposed I’m getting a fourth weight weights training, to a degree there as well.

Michael Dermansky:

Well, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it just for us was adding for your program. Personally, it was about adding some of those stabilizing muscle groups that were just needed a bit of tweaking that allowed you to go to that next level as well. So what we’re doing was great. But just, you know, a couple of small tweaks was the difference between a great program on a on a just a gym program. And that’s what we wanted to see with your program. And hearing the outcomes is where we were aiming for. You know, you wanted to be able to do all these things in your life and not think about them. That’s what we want.

Trevor Young:

Yeah.

Michael Dermansky:

And so, you know, that’s our job as professionals to look at the design of what we can do to give you what you want out of your program. And it’s really, really wonderful to hear that lifestyle change is being able to do.

Trevor Young:

Yeah, well, and I guess I’m just looking back sort of one of the sort of the goals around the exercise and I did want to do rack pulls, you know, I used to be able to do rack pulls some time back, but to do them, I probably wouldn’t do them at the gym, but to do them under supervision. It’s not just about, I could do them at the gym, but it’s what we do beforehand and in between the rack lifts that make that exercise much better. Because if I went and did it cold in the gym, it’s not going to be probably is good for me.

Trevor Young:

So in terms of building it up, knowing which weight to use at any given time, I mean, that’s a full confidence thing, rack pulls. And I know there are others that are at MD Health and I go to Q East and who are doing rack pulls and they’ve been in the same boat and didn’t think they’d be able to do it. And it’s just a pure confidence. I know you’re saying it’s good for me. For me, it’s just a pure confidence player to bend over and pick up a barbell of weights.

Michael Dermansky:

Yeah, it’s taking time. I mean, you didn’t do it cold. As you said, you know, you built up the control and strength. And so when you did you did that to it was it was in a measured time. It wasn’t OK. All it’s just a repose is good for everyone. It is at a point you had to have built a basic stability first and then layering that on is where you got the real benefit out of it, too, because you were ready for it and your body was ready for it, too. So you were able to load you up and slowly progressively continue to increase that load. as you’re able to cope with it too.

Trevor Young:

Yeah, and I think one of the things that I’ve learnt the most is the interconnection of all the muscles. So, you know, I’m not going to get into it too much, but I’m quite strong in some areas, but other muscles are a little bit weaker and they’re not in unison. And because I’m much stronger with some muscles, it sort of puts me a lot more out of whack than if I didn’t work out in the gym. So… Don’t work out in the gym. It’s not good for you.

Michael Dermansky:

No, I didn’t say that. I never said that. But as you said, the balance is really important what to making sure we have an even strength of the stabilizer and the prime movers that balancing act makes a massive difference.

Trevor Young:

That’s the key that I’m after now. That’s where I am now. Is it all about balancing the muscles and making sure everything works? Because I’ve seen that if you don’t, if some are out of whack, it just keeps, it is a knock on effect. And so I think that that’s probably where, if I’m looking at it, I know that there’s, that’s a constant thing that we’re trying to keep everything balanced and all the muscles working together.

Trevor Young:

Because if you don’t do that, that’s when you start. you know, you, it’ll be a little niggle and then a little one and it’ll just, the knock on effect will keep going. And so it’s great because I mean, on one hand it’s, it’s not my back. I haven’t really got a back issue anymore. It’s really, it’s, you know, posture and balancing of muscles and making sure everything’s just working. And if you don’t do it, then it ends up in the back. But at the moment, um, I don’t, I don’t get that.

Michael Dermansky:

Right. Any, anything else you want to leave with the listeners? I know we’ve had quite a bit of discussion today is about, you know, the importance of it, of when you exercise, why you do it, why you keep going and sort of, and the structure that works you well for you. And we’ve seen work really well. Anything else you want to talk about, Trevor?

Trevor Young:

Look, I think the thing is to then start having goals to do things, I think. So mine were quite, you know, not really ambitious. And I know some people come in because they want to return to netball or start riding a bike or whatever. Everyone’s different.

Michael Dermansky:

Everyone’s different, they’ve got their own goals and reasons for doing things.

Trevor Young:

And I think it’s good to have meaningful goals to do it. I mean, I thought my goals were pretty meaningful, but they were day to day goals.

Michael Dermansky:

95% of the people are day-to-day goals.

Trevor Young:

Absolutely. But now I said to Liam this morning, he’s just come back from overseas. Mate, I’m getting on a plane at the end of November. I want to, you know, it’s a long haul flight or long haul flights. And I just don’t want to be troubled. And, and so I will be managing that part of it, but I want to be in the best Nick possible. So I’m not even worried about it. So maybe we talk, talk at the end when I’m back in January and we’ll see how we go.

Michael Dermansky:

Sounds good. I mean, I guess that’s the last the blast bit that didn’t think about as well as a and we see is the Goals we will come up come start with which are usually small day-to-day goals do get bigger as they get stronger So what we hear at the start like I just want to be able to walk around the block Well, I just want to be able to pick up my kids without pain Compared to I’m ready. I’m ready to go and trick the Himalayas today like you know the same people that will start with those goals will end up with those goals, but Sometimes they won’t, but a lot of the times we have the conversations at different points with different people because they’re ready for those stages. They might not be going to, they might not be going to, I can go base camp Everest, but in six months, that might be the conversation we’re really having as opposed to at the start.

Trevor Young:

That’s it. And that’s confidence. You know, it’s probably a goal too far at the start, but you build up to it’s like anything, isn’t it? So anything in that and the more you do, the better you get and you’d be smart about it. And but you do it for the right reasons. And that will keep the motivation up.

Michael Dermansky:

Well thank you very much for your time Trevor, it was really great to hear your story and hopefully the listeners will get that spark of why they should be exercising for themselves and how to keep going to achieve the lifestyle they really deserve. Thanks for your time again Trevor.

Trevor Young:

Thanks Michael.